Pastor Chad Harms shares how your testimony about the impact Jesus Christ has had in your life can help others.
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Your Testimony is Your Story in Jesus Christ
Your testimony is your story in Jesus Christ. It is a story of hope, renewal, and a new life. When you share your testimony, you lift up others who may not even know you. You testify to the power of Jesus Christ in your life, and you give hope to those who need it. So don’t be afraid to share your story. It is a powerful tool that can change lives.
Your testimony can also serve as a renewing force in someone’s life. If someone is struggling in their faith, hearing your story of how Jesus has transformed your life can help them to see that He can do the same for them. Your testimony is a powerful reminder that Jesus is always there for us, no matter what we are going through.
When you share your story of how Jesus has changed your life, you give others the opportunity to see Him in a new light. You offer them a glimpse of the hope and the transformation that He can bring about in their own lives. So don’t be afraid to share your testimony. It is a powerful tool that can change lives.
How Do You Prepare Your Christian Testimony?
Telling your story is both easy and a little challenging. It’s your story, so you know all the experiences and nuances that make it important to you. The challenging part is making it connect with others in a way that does not seem forced and also ready.
There are three parts to any good story, a beginning, a middle, and an end. You’re simply thinking through your testimony’s three-part journey.
- What was your life like before Jesus Christ?
- What was your encounter with Jesus? That ah-ha moment when your relationship began with Him.
- What is your life like now that you have Jesus as part of your life every day?
You can also check out Cru’s 5-Part Model to prepare your testimony.
Some other things to keep in mind when sharing your story include keeping it short. Getting long-winded can lose people quickly. Keep it aligned with the Gospel of Jesus Christ. After all, your story is not about you as much as it is about Jesus Christ being introduced to someone in a new and concrete way.
In This Episode
- We all have a story worth telling for someone else to be encouraged to keep going
- The start of the Testimony podcast
- Chad Harms sharing his testimony for the first time in inner-city San Diego
- Other people are inspired and encouraged by your unique story
- Your testimony told in a loving and thoughtful way helps others gain insight into life
- The enemy of Christ would love for you not to tell your story
Chad Harms
Chad Harms is married to Brynn and they have two children (Hazel and Hudson). He is a graduate of Corban University in Salem and Gateway Seminary in Los Angeles. He grew up in Keizer, Oregon, played college baseball, loves the Blazers, and likes weird independent films.
Currently, Chad is known as Pastor Chad and leads Creekside Bible Church in Wilsonville, Oregon just miles outside of Portland, Oregon.
His hope through the Testimony podcast is to share stories from everyday Christians on how they started their relationship with Jesus Christ so that others may be inspired to do the same.
Resources and Links
Listen to my original post on Chad’s show in a bonus episode. Sharing your testimony through a blog, podcast, or other media could be helpful to someone out there you don’t even know.
A Minefield, Two Prayers, and a Sermon. Listen to Chad’s interview of me on the Testimony podcast.
How to Share Your Testimony – C.S. Lewis Institute
Related Past Episodes of Beyond the Rut
Paul Hastings shares his testimony of being reminded of who matters most in his life over what matters most, Overcome Burnout and Get Your Family Back – Paul Hastings – BtR 310
Years ago, I shared my own testimony to show the power of choosing happiness in your life. How the Happiness Advantage Can Change Your World (Part 1) – BtR 138
Episode Credits
Host, Editing, and Production: Jerry Dugan
Transcript
Chad Harms 00:00
Even if your story has not come to its conclusion yet, if your story has a nice ending, like Hunger Games, if you’re somewhere in the middle of it, it’s really good to share it. And on top of that, not just can it have an impact on others. But I know I’ve had some moments where I felt like I was the only one right and I and I put it out there and, and it helped me to have people say, you’re not crazy, you know, like, I struggle with this too.
Jerry Dugan 00:28
Hey, Raider Nation, welcome to another episode of beyond the rut, the podcast that shares encouraging stories and practical tools to help pull you out of your rut and into a life worth living. Today, we’re going to be having a conversation with Pastor Chad harms out of Oregon because he firmly believes that you have a story to tell a testimony to tell that when you share it, it’s going to inspire and encourage others to get out of their own ruts and pursue the lives that they were meant to live, that they were destined to live that they have the potential to fulfill. And by you holding on to your story, you’re actually robbing people of that. So take a listen to this episode, this conversation, and see how you can share your story with others in a way that is impactful, encouraging and inspiring, as well as equipping. So sit back and relax. Unless you are I don’t know, making tamales because you know, Christmas is coming. And I love tamales. I like the beef one spicy beef. Oh, man, I’ll make myself hungry. But here we go. All right. Hey, Pastor Chad. Welcome to the show. How are you doing?
Chad Harms 01:36
I’m doing fine. Thanks for having me on.
Jerry Dugan 01:38
Awesome. You know, I meant to ask you earlier. And the hat kind of helps me a little bit. Are you in Portland, Oregon? Well, in Oregon area,
Chad Harms 01:45
We’re in the southmost Metro part of the Portland area. So when people think about I think of the things they think about around Portland. That’s not how it looks in our suburb down here. We are, you know, if there’s no traffic, we can be in the city limits of Portland within 10 minutes or so.
Jerry Dugan 02:06
Nice. Cool. All right. Yeah. Originally from the West Coast, so whenever I have something on the show from West Coast, I’m like, Yeah, it’s like, close to home in a way.
Chad Harms 02:16
Yeah, right. Right. There are some Christians out here still, all 10 of us are still carrying on.
Jerry Dugan 02:22
Nice. There you go. Well, if we ever export hours, oh, we’ll send them your way. Take us. Now appreciate you jumping on the show that the share, you know what your podcast is about and what you do because you’re a pastor by day and somewhere in there, you fit this testimony podcast in there. And I had the honor of having a clip shared in your show as one of the end pieces. And then that led to what we just recorded earlier, which is a full interview that I assume will get aired at some point depending on if I gave you some good, good quality to work with. But then I thought, you know, it definitely is a good idea to have you on our show. Because one of the things we’d love to do is encourage folks through encouraging stories. And there’s no more encouraging story than the one you’re living right now. And when I say you I mean, not just pastor chatter myself, but you listening in your story also was an encouraging story to somebody. So I guess from there, tell us about the testimony podcast and what inspired you to start that show.
Chad Harms 03:28
Yeah, I wish I could say that my decision to start that show is totally altruistic. But I played basketball in high school with somebody who’s become wildly famous. Now his name is Grayson Boucher, he is better known as the professor. If you know for people listening, if they’re about my age, then they might remember him from a street ball tour, the N one St. Paul tour, but anybody kind of younger than I know, Spiderman, basketball, and his YouTube videos where I mean, I’m talking and he’s Grayson’s become more famous than most NBA basketball players. And I had heard that he had this incredible story to your point about becoming a Christian. And so I thought that’d be so cool to record and put on a podcast. And about six years ago, actually, we got together and recorded his story. And it was not at all the story that I was told it was actually a crazier story in some ways. Yeah. And I even had to ask him about how, like, why I had heard this other story and there was some validity to it. It was but it wasn’t the same story at all. And so I, you know, I said I got a famous person that with this great story, and wouldn’t it be cool if I could, if I could share stories like this in a way that that is creative, I hope and telling the story. Written in a creative way that engages people, but even more, kind of captures the power of the story. Because sometimes people don’t tell their story in the most powerful way. They don’t know how powerful their story can be. And so I really wanted to tell you that. So I recorded a couple of these about six years ago. And then my, I guess it was, somewhat maybe it was right when my son was born maybe five years ago, and then I had a second child and that the project got put on the back shelf, but I just started releasing them. And I’ve recorded eight or nine now and we’ve put out three and, and so yeah, the goal of the show is, is simply to share in a creative way, the how and why people became Christians. And I’ve especially targeted Christians that have influenced whether that influences online or in person, the episode that goes out next Tuesday with the head of the Western seminary, one of the West Coast’s largest seminaries. And so it’s not just like the internet, you know, people with influence, but anybody that has influence, either in the Christian world or in, you know, other spaces. Yeah.
Jerry Dugan 06:08
And we all we often, we tend to think of like a Christian is somebody who was born raised in the church is the person that you see in the news clips that are like, probably some of the more embarrassing, like, moments of like, Oh, we’re all gonna burn and hack, that kind of thing. And it’s like, no, yeah, we’re broken people who hit a low in some cases or many cases, and we found restoration and, you know, peace through finding Jesus. And, and so, and those folks are sprinkled all over the place. Like, we’re not all pastors, we’re not all like Bible study leaders, where that person who leads your team meeting, or the person who cleans your bathroom, at the office, or it’s just, yeah, we’re everywhere. And yeah, knowing what led them there, I think is really important. Because it definitely gets people thinking, well, I’ve gone through something similar. Could that also be true for me?
Chad Harms 07:04
Yeah, that’s right. And I’ll tell you that the last episode that went out was this. It’s a girl who’s really just never felt close to God. But she has always faithfully served God, she’s kind of not the story that you just told she grew up in a Christian home, church, Christian school, Christian University, and Christian husband, but she’s never felt close to God. And what was so fascinating about telling her story is that I think we would say, well, that’s not as powerful as you know, somebody that was on drugs, or you know, your story where you’re making this final prayer that we’ll share in a couple of months here, but, but like her, even her story really resonated with people. Because there are lots of people who just don’t feel God and she said, this thing that I thought was so valuable, she said, it is at a young age, even like middle school, and before she had to wrestle with whether or not feeling close to God meant that she was less of a Christian or her faith wasn’t strong. And she had resigned the answer that question with a no. And in that story, there’s a lot of Christians out there who I think and in fact, I think there’s a lot of people who aren’t Christian simply because they don’t feel God in some meaningful way. And her story connected. And so I really do believe that, that there is power in hearing other people’s stories, to your show’s content, right like that can help us get out of a rut just hearing somebody else’s story. But also, I think it’s important for us to remember that we can help people simply by sharing our stories, even if we think it’s a story that is inconsequential. There are probably some very positive consequences that can come to people’s lives if we’re just willing to tell them.
Jerry Dugan 08:55
Yeah, and, you know, stories make sense, in the sense of, you know, if you go back in history, you know, this is how we shared information from one generation to the next was telling stories, you know, you know, we didn’t just sit in a classroom and jot down equations off a chalkboard or, you know, write 10 Page essays on, you know, the, you know, what it means to be a follower of Christ like we told stories and parables and, you know, the lessons come out of that. The practical tools, I think, sometimes are more digestible, and sink in, when there is a story to be told with it, because now we have context. And that’s very important for us from a learning perspective. And that was me, I guess, geeking out because of my day job,
Chad Harms 09:40
I believe, as you say that I’m reminded of it I guess another reason that I think this podcast that I’m doing is important, and or maybe that’s not the right way to say it. One reason that it was easy for me to want to do it is when I was 17. That’s when I became serious about my own faith and I I quickly after becoming serious with about my faith, believed that I was going to be a pastor. I don’t know if that was arrogance or God or whatever. But but but it was a pretty quick turnaround for me. And I went to Hawaii on a senior trip. And then I was by some great youth leaders at the church, I had just started attending that that senior year of high school, they said, Please come on this mission trip that we’re doing in southeast San Diego, and I’m like, I don’t want to do it. I’m going to Hawaii, you know, like, but man, people were like, We will pick you up at the airport, we want you there, like you gotta be there. And so I reluctantly honestly, Edie went, and I flew from Hawaii to San Diego. And, and then they asked me at this event to share my testimony at one of the night kind of wrap up events where we were helping this church we were serving in, and some, I think, a soup kitchen. And, uh, but we’re also working with kids and, and so they asked me to share my testimony, my story, and I got up. And, you know, I was probably really nervous. I don’t know if I’d ever shared my story publicly. And I still don’t share it in Super public ways, but had a bit of a rough childhood. But I’m in southeast San Diego, and this is, you know, it’s mainly Mexican people, we’re in a dangerous area where they won’t let us go outside. We’re like, told you cannot even walk like outside without permission, because it’s not safe. And we’re inside this church building doing our work. And just like, What are these kids have in common with me, right? Like, what is my testimony going to matter? And so I get up a share. And this this little boy, and I get emotional when I talk about this, but his name was Mikey, he had a brother named Marquis, he comes up to me, and he says, that story you told, that’s exactly like my life. Oh, man. And it was wild. Like, wait, that’s not possible. You know? Like, I mean, you’re here, I’m suburban white kid. And, you know, you’re 10 years younger than me Mexican kid living in San Diego. Right. And, and, and I don’t remember the exact order of these events. But he says, Can we take a walk? And I’m like, probably not. Because they told us we couldn’t go outside. And so I went to a youth leader. And I don’t know if that youth leader didn’t like me or whatever, but but they said, Yeah, you can take a walk around this neighborhood. Go outside. But, um, so I walked around this neighborhood with this kid, and we shared life stories and talked about what we had been through. And him and his brother became Christians, first people that I ever led to Jesus, if any of us really lead others to Jesus, I mean, we’re, I was a part of it for the first time. Right? And and it’s even a picture I have a picture of me bowing down with this kid is he’s given his life to Jesus. And so I guess in that moment, I saw the power of my own story in a place where I would have completely said, my story doesn’t really matter here.
Jerry Dugan 13:08
Yeah, man, that’s powerful. And it takes a leap of faith, a leap of faith to share it anyway. Because I mean, I just had a conversation with somebody else earlier today about, you know, we tend to put the word knot in front of things like I’m not good enough, or my story is not relevant to this person, or, you know, I’m not the right person for this. But you’re there for a reason. You’re, you’re, you’re in a situation where you can do a thing, and chances are, you are enough, or you are the right person, maybe you’re the right person to hear what this person is going through and connect them with another person. So we were just talking about like removing the word, not that doubt, that kind of holds you back from doing the thing. And here you are, like faced with that you share your story anyway. And it turns out, it changes two lives completely, and may or may not have disappointed a youth pastor who was hoping to not see you come back.
Chad Harms 14:06
No, I think that is that was an assassination attempt. I don’t know. But yeah, as you say that I think about these these stories that I’m sharing and recording and it’s amazing how, and we talked about this a bit before coming on the air here. I’ve been really amazed. The thing I’ve been amazed about is how God works in very different situations and in different people’s lives. And almost all of it is completely unexpected. And so people’s willingness to rise to the occasion, and not necessarily sharing their stories but sharing the story of Jesus. Really, you never know when that’s going to matter. And so I mean, we’ve had, you know, in our episodes so far like one person and choosing to give their life to Jesus at a funeral. Oh, another at a bachelor party because they went to church like after the night and, and, and somebody else that a music lesson that they showed up to their piano teachers house and kind of express their spiritual interest and this one goes out Tuesday, so it’s fresh on my mind. But they said, Oh, sweetie, you need Jesus and the person became a Christian with Oh, sweetie, you need Jesus. Like that’s, that’s not a powerful sermon. Right? And, and your story is so different. And I won’t give that one away. But one person actually responded that I interviewed recently to a track being given to them on the side of the street, which never had any impact since 1950. It’s not that old. So. So anyway, to your point, it is our willingness just to share both our story and the story of the gospel can be more powerful than than we expect, especially if we do it, I think in a loving and thoughtful way.
Jerry Dugan 16:08
Yeah, yeah. Oh, that’s spot on. And it’s not like we’re talking about it from a faith perspective to like, you know, that eternity thing that you and I feel is at stake whether or not you have Jesus in your life. There are stories out there that can help fix your marriage, you know, they just, you know, I know, there’s a couple that mentored my wife, and I, Joe and Connie. And of course, we’ve always known them as the happy, healthy communication couple that’s like in their 70s or 80s. Now, but we knew them when they were a little bit younger. And they kind of took us under their wing and kind of just had dinner with us, hung out with us, had us volunteer with them at a marriage conference. And the thing that we didn’t learn until years later was that they had eloped when they were younger, Connie had a drug addiction. Joe couldn’t handle that Connie runs away. They have two kids, one of the kids dies while they’re relatively like a young adult, and they have every reason to like fall apart and never be together. And here they are, like we know them, you know, 3040 years into their marriage. And it’s like,
17:12
wait a sec, how what? Like, their, like,
Jerry Dugan 17:16
their actual, like origin story is completely different than what we expected to see. Like we look at them today. And then we started to realize like, they have gone through a lot of lessons that we can learn from, and I think but by knowing them, and knowing their story and getting to know it more, we were able to navigate a lot of things in our marriage as not drugs and alcohol rose, but you know, financial struggles, like losing a job. Almost having our house foreclosed on us a number of times, healthy communication, because we’re seeing them modeled by them. You know, it’s just a lot of power in that in career and finances like there are stories out there to really help you just move forward in life. And of course, we’re talking about the the ultimate thing your life for eternity, and impacting other lives for eternity. So, I think I came up I mean, you’re a pastor today, you, you lead. You’re at a church in the Oregon area. And you’ve known since a long time, you’re going to be a pastor. So did you go like straight from deciding you’re going to be a pastor go into college, going to seminary and going into ministry?
Chad Harms 18:21
I did. Yeah. So 17 got serious about my faith, was a decent high school baseball player that was being recruited by, you know, several smaller colleges, here in the especially in Oregon. And by God’s grace, really, I ended up at Corbin University, which is a Christian liberal arts college, not far from where I went to high school. And I was a pastoral studies major, I don’t know what I would have done if I would have gone somewhere else but but they offered a scholarship and and so I didn’t go there. You know, I wasn’t wise enough to think well, I want to be a pastor, I should probably actually learn how to do that. But since I was there, you know, and I wanted to be a pastor I was a pastoral Studies major and took a 15 hour week youth pastor job right out of college, and, and then have been at the church ever since I’ve been in church 17 years, and so did my masters while youth pastoring I’d been the youth pastor, associate pastor and then the lead pastor for about 10 years now. So I’ve been at the church almost 17 If I didn’t say that, and it’s wild, because I’m around a lot of older pastors, and it seems like almost always I’m the guy who has been at the church, my current church the longest, so I’m like the old guy in that regard. And even you know, this last couple years, you talked about church in Oregon, and it’s been hard I mean with COVID stuff, but not to, you know, try to drive home the point too much about the power of stone worry. But one of the best things I did during this two years was just be with or when we couldn’t be together be in contact with other pastors. And we spent a lot of time I’ve spent more time venting about, you know what I’m dealing with the in the last couple years, and they’ve done the same. And I think that’s a big part of what got us through CS Lewis. I love what he says about friendships. But he says friendship starts when when you look at another person and say, Oh, you too. And so I just found that, that there’s a super big value in that and my life and my ministry and my new efforts at this podcast and all of those things.
Jerry Dugan 20:42
Isn’t it funny how like, connections go deeper the moment and trust goes way up the moment you get vulnerable and share, like a moment of brokenness or fallibility. And also the person’s like, oh, you screw up too? Oh, yeah, we could definitely be friends. In fact, I trust you to half my life. Like, really, because I just because I forgot to take out the trash. That blows my mind that I have the strength to be vulnerable and the humility to be okay with that.
Chad Harms 21:08
That’s real. And, and that’s, I mean, not to jump too far. But like, I think that, that our world, and I would say even the dark forces in the spiritual realm want us to believe that, that we’re the only ones who struggle with things and, and that’s a lonely place to be. And I think that’s been exasperated in the last couple of years. And I think that’s a big part of why mental health problems are up. And I know you’re a military guy I studied. I have an almost minor in psychology. And so basically a counselor at this point. I learned at the very end that my school you had to pre declare for a minor but my my counseling professor, rich Myers, who has since passed away, but he is very well respected and widely known for his chaplaincy within the military. And, and he he told us once that, that it’s a theory that that one of the reasons that Vietnam vets struggled to adjust to life back in America more than any other soldiers before them was because they were the first ones who kind of I, you know, across the board didn’t come back on a boat. And so they didn’t have time to share their stories with other people who had been through those things. And so the adjustment process was more difficult. And I think you can speak to this better than I can. But I think that they’ve, they’ve actually built programming around that in order that that soldiers can share their stories. Yeah.
Jerry Dugan 22:47
I don’t know what it was like after my deployment. But I know for mine. And for those of you listening, you know, if you’ve been listening for a while, you know that I was in the army, I was part of the invasion of Iraq. So when they pulled us out before they sent us home, they kept us in Kuwait for about a month just to decompress. And I mean, to us, it was frustrating. It’s like, get us home already. You know, we got, we have the planes, we know you got the planes, because you keep dropping people off, get us on a plane and get us home. But knowing what I know, now it’s like, oh, they had us decompressing, you know, it was like, get out of the routine of wake up early, put on your battle gear, go out and expect people to try to kill you. Because we’re about to send you somewhere where that’s not the case, that if you don’t get your way you don’t but stroke somebody with your weapon. So yeah, decompression was a huge thing to be able to share our story, or at least be among people who understood was a big thing. And just being ready to transition home. Like we had just folks reminding us, hey, remember, when you go home, your family does not understand what you’ve been through. We understand. This is the channel you’ve got. When you go home, the story that you think is funny, is actually very dark and scary to everybody else. Don’t Don’t tell the story about how you almost got your head blown off. You know, I was like stuff like that. And you’re like, okay, okay, it’s almost like a reset. Like, if you’ve, if you’ve read the Hunger Games, or seen the movies. One of the key things in the very end is when Peter malarkey has to reconcile what was a brainwashing versus what was real. And so he’ll throw a scenario out there and the people who loved him would say, that’s real, or no, that’s not real. And we kind of had to do that, while we were decompressing. All right. Well, we talked about this story. Safe or scary. Scary. Okay. All right. We want to talk about this with our family. Maybe start with your wife, maybe it was some counseling, maybe with the chaplain, so maybe safe eventually. But for your kids, maybe not yet when they’re older, and it was just like stuff like that to kind of reconcile what we could and that was before the VA was even ready for this big influx. So yeah,
Chad Harms 24:59
I love the into the Hunger Games. So that was a great, I love that analogy in that picture. So that’s that was awesome. Thank you. Yeah, I was team pizza all the way and so so I that resonated with me. Yeah,
Jerry Dugan 25:14
I think the other character was gave her as the game. Gail, Gail Gail Yeah, I think it was just an excuse to get Liam maybe thorn in their side character she didn’t matter. So I guess the encouragement for those listening though, like if you’re telling yourself, my story is not good enough, my story’s not compelling enough, my story will never change anybody’s lives. What would you say to that?
Chad Harms 25:47
I would just say it’s not true. Honestly, I think that, that your story matters and that there’s maybe somebody out there that needs to hear it, there is somebody out there that needs to hear it. And it might not be the first person you tell it to. And they may go, Okay, thanks for sharing. And so I think, but there are, there’s somebody who has shared experiences with you. And your story, even if you don’t have a, even if your story has not come to its conclusion yet, if your story has a nice ending, like Hunger Games, if you’re somewhere in the middle of it, it’s really good to share it. And on top of that, not just can it have an impact on others, but I think we just need to share our own stories. And I know I’ve had some moments where, where I, where I felt like I was the only one right and I and I put it out there and, and it helped me to have people say you’re not crazy, you know, like, I struggle with this too. In fact, a friend of mine, he wants sat me down and felt like he needed to confess something, that dam was really big, really big deal. And he he shared this thing with me and, and it just didn’t seem like a big deal. Like I read I wasn’t cold or anything to him. I just was like, okay, that’s I mean, thanks for sharing, you know, whatever. And he ended up writing like a song about me. And, like, I mean, he actually changed me to a girl in the song because it sounds more like the right way to go. But hopefully, he is a cool visionary in that. But um, but yeah, it for him. It was just like, getting it out there and having somebody treat it like, you know, a less big deal than he felt like in his head in his heart. It was a really important thing for him.
Jerry Dugan 27:41
And now if folks want to check out your show, and listen to more, maybe get some more support. Maybe they’re in the Oregon, Portland area, said it backwards. And they want to check out your church. How can they get in touch with you? How can we tap into all those different resources?
Chad Harms 27:58
Sure, I’ll, go backward on those. You can go to Wilsonville dot church https://Wilsonville.church, as you know, everything you need to be able to find us. Listen to my sermons, reach out and connect. If you want to do that. You can find me on every social media platform at Chad, a harms chat. Hey, harms. And so if anybody wants to connect, if you need somebody to share a story with that you don’t know just get it out there you can find me and I’m happy to chat. And that’s one thing. You know, I’ve had the opportunity to do things like this a handful of times now. But I just wanted people to know that like, I am a pastor and I am pretty normal and I’m willing to talk and so And by God’s grace, my sermons, the audio of my sermons go pretty far and have the opportunity to, to minister to people pretty far and wide. And so if anybody needs that we’re here my church is here for you. And we’re a great praying church. Least good. And so we will pray for you if you need any of that. And then the podcast is it testimony podcast.com. Or wherever you get your podcasts, as they say, on every podcast. And so we’d love, love for you to listen and have a new episode. Well, not when this airs, but we have a new episode that goes out on the first Tuesday of every month. That’s how I should say, and then we do a bonus episode, which is where your short story was shared, Jerry, where we kind of just include more of the content from those guests, because they all have interesting things to say, besides, you know, their testimony. And so you know, like, leadership stuff and, and from your story, I’m excited to share about management and how you manage as a Christian, I think that’s going to be a great thing for people to hear.
Jerry Dugan 29:49
Thank you. Yeah. All right. Well, Pastor Chad, it was great to have you on the show, and I look forward to staying in touch with you because we’re in some of the same Facebook groups. So that’s right. Yeah. If you’re ever in Dallas, you Let me know and we’ll hang out.
Chad Harms 30:01
I definitely well, we’re hopefully going back to Bentonville, Arkansas soon. And so that it’s, you know, we’re getting down in that neighborhood every now and then because I have a cousin down there. But next time I’m in Dallas, I’ll reach out.
Jerry Dugan 30:16
Now, I hope you found a lot of value in this conversation, you found some inspiration by it, you’re now putting together your own notes on your testimony of your life, to share it with others as the opportunity arises. Because that was the whole point of this episode and this conversation. Now, maybe you found so much value in this that you want to share it with other people, just go ahead, hit the share button on whatever device and software or app you’re using, and send this to somebody you know, share it on your social media, and somebody somewhere else is also going to be inspired to share his or her story and change the world. Because this is how we share knowledge. As we said in this episode, you share a story a connects with somebody it gives us that relevance and that starting point and all that that all that meaning and nuance comes from story. So you gotta get out there. You got to share your story, share this story about stories with others, and we’re going to make a difference. Now I’m glad you joined me this week. I look forward to joining you again next week. But until then you can check out the show notes at beyond the.com/ 319. And until next time, go live life beyond the rut. Take care
